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Xellos · Apr 25, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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#4 Dueling was awful because playing other ppl was extremely weird and felt awkward

This is golden because you know at that moment he didn't even play the game...or mistook the alcoe seed as a player..then died to it. Woah, dieing to a level 0 creature.

Just for fun, here's another link.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gen...topic=20429770

tektonik · Apr 25, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Why do most of you care that other people trash the game?

Some of you trash other games with just as much bias and lies...

Really now most people blind themselves with bias and that is how you get rediculous remarks like "it takes 500 hours to get to 60" or "There was no diversity to ones character, such as making him/her different build

Sekkira · Apr 25, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

I find it funny, the whole comparison of great wars and men in history such as the Crusades and Albert Einstien to something as petty as game fanboyism. Personally I would have been playing WoW aswell, if I could be bothered to download the 3+ gig setup when it was in beta. But I knew it was going to be pay per month, so I didn't attempt to as I didn't want to get hyped up about the game when I knew I couldn't afford the monthly fees.

About the Autism part, Lansing. I know all about that first hand and can vouch for it. English skills have nothing to do with actual intelligence really. It is just another way of increasing your skills in communicating through to others your knowledge. Unfortunately, people with Autism have increadible knowledge, yet find it next to impossible to communicate this forward. A giant tin of intellectualality ( if that's even a word ) with no can opener in sight, which leaves you to poke a hole in the top, tip it upside down and watch it trickle out into your bowl slowly.

This doesn't mean that they can't speak an ounce of english, or whatever their native language is. Many can communicate amazingly well with it. Yet, there's always that feeling there that no matter how well versed in the language you are, it will never be enough. More is required, a higher, quicker, more efficient form of communication is required. But you only have your vocal chords and/or a pen and paper. It's completely restricting.

Now I've gone way off topic and have totally lost the idea of what we were talking about... *wanders off*

Xellos · Apr 25, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Fastest to level 60 within release of WoW was about 5-7 days. The exaggeration of limited builds in WoW is a bit extreme, but just by looking thoroughly on the forums you see that their already cookie cutting the classes and baking them in the oven.

Guild Wars hasn't been released yet, so we don't know if there's going to be cookies yet, but so far, it seems that with every BWE, their slowly narrowing down the possibilities, as slow as it is. I mean, around here necromancer primary has already been crushed to the ground for PVP

The key difference is WoW's patch changes not showing any real result of "wow, that looks about right" instead of "omfg, now the OTHER class is overpowered". Guild Wars has a chance to be different, and of course bias comes in. But pound for pound, Guild Wars so far has shown less "omfg, since class A was nerfed, class B is now the best" type mentality. People still cling onto their character, as you can clearly see.

WoW mostly retains that aura from Wc3, where people care more about their races being strong then about balance as a whole. It's just the way it is.

Dreamsmith · Apr 25, 2005, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Xellos

Guild Wars hasn't been released yet, so we don't know if there's going to be cookies yet...

I'd say that's pretty much inevitable. The difference, however, is that in GW anything has a counter, so the more popular any "cookie" becomes, the more attractive and successful running its counter becomes. This effect will not stop cookie-cutterism, but instead create a constantly evolving metagame as particular builds rise (due to too many people not paying attentiong to their power) and fall (once people wake up and smell the counter-strategy). At least, that's the hope...

BTW, I'm seeing people start to toss around phrases like "inane drivel", "fanboism", etc. Can it. You can make your point without being inflamatory. Otherwise, this thread will be closed.

Lansing Kai Don · Apr 25, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Silmor

Lansing Kai Don, although I mostly agree about the 'to each his own' aspect, I think it should be applied on both ends of the deal. 'To each his own' should also apply to the people writing uninformed opinions about Guild Wars on another forum (they're entitled to that, no matter how stupid or annoying we consider it), which is why any call to go off and somehow try to 'convert' them seems unwise to me. We indeed need to be careful in how we portray ourselves, but I feel a middle ground between not

caring at all and the rabid 'fanboyism' that incites others to invade forums to 'spread the gospel' is best - neither extreme is good.

Sin called this way of thinking 'pessimistic' (even though that has nothing to do with it), and used that to post a generic lofty rant about why pessimism is bad - then uses it to turn this into a debate about what the best way to impress the community is, shoving me and Diamondspider into a side we're not in at all. Something done out of enthusiasm simply isn't always a good thing, as Diamondspider explained very well I think, so the claim that we stomp on all enthusiasm is just wrong; we're trying to discourage what we feel is a wrong expression of enthusiasm.

Some people feel calling others to go to that forum and explain to them how Guild Wars really works is still a decent way to express enthusiasm, but I've experienced this often enough on other forums, and the result rarely has anything to do with enthusiasm - for every person posting there out of genuine enthusiasm there will be five posting because they feel better than those people because of the game they support. That forum feels upset over being invaded, and the original forum sets a bad name for itself. I don't think anyone would appreciate fifty World of Warcraft enthusiasts flooding into this forum to say Guild Wars sucks and that we should all play World of Warcraft instead, only to leave the next minute, so I think we shouldn't encourage doing that sort of thing to another forum.

[Last paragraph removed by Dreamsmith. Silmor, I feel your pain, but I don't want to see the flames fanned any further than they already have been. Besides, the message this paragraph referenced has been deleted.]

While I agree that you made valid points. They are still your opinion. As are the posters on that other forum. They are allowed their opinion no matter how wrong it is. But you speak of people as trying to spread the gospel... when most of us just don't want to see concocted lies about something we've grown fond of. An example (a little off base but try to read into it) is if you had an animal you cared for... in fact that many people cared for. If someone started raving about how this animal is rabid, has 3 legs (when it plainly has four).. and can fly. You'd feel the need to set the story straight or ask the person to get their facts straight. Some would even become rather upset that someone would be saying such things about something they know nothing about and you care for. I know you semi-agree with this in your last paragraph (that Dreamsmith didn't remove)...but I believe that this is a to each his own in its entirety. Would you rather let the forum go unchecked... and who knows how many new users we lose (that could be potential friends and fellow guild members)? I agree, middle ground it is. But I also realize that there will be no way of stopping mindless cheering (which I don't think you should... ever like sports?) as it would be impossible to stop intelligent debate. I guess we mostly agree, just that as fence sitters... you lean one way and I the other. Hope to see you in the game.

Lansing Kai Don

P.S. And Sin was merely trying to point out that behind your defense of neutrality and intelligence... there is a ravid guild wars fan. He was merely trying to prove it in a roundabout way. So instead of beating around the bush. Diamond, Silmor... I know your style. Are you emotionally prepped for the release? Do you really want to play Guild Wars and consider yourselves a fan of the game in your own way? I'm not afraid to admit that deep down inside... I'm as giddy as a school girl. 2 DAYS!!!! Noone saw anything you can't prove anything.

Silmor · Apr 25, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Cheering for sports is a pretty good way to put it, I just originally posted in the hopes of preventing people from rushing off to wreck the opposition's stadium, if you catch my drift. Rather we go to the pub and drink to the upcoming release.

For some reason I'm not getting the same giddy schoolgirl feelings I've had during the BWE's yet (who knows, might still pop up), but there is the warm glow of knowing that in a few days we can enjoy GW without pressure of getting the most out of a weekend's worth, without danger of our characters getting wiped, etc. Good times a'comin'.

Dreamsmith · Apr 25, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Silmor

For some reason I'm not getting the same giddy schoolgirl feelings I've had during the BWE's yet (who knows, might still pop up), but there is the warm glow of knowing that in a few days we can enjoy GW without pressure of getting the most out of a weekend's worth, without danger of our characters getting wiped, etc. Good times a'comin'.

I know exactly how you feel. It's that difference between an upcoming special concert and the start of a long, lazy vacation. You know you don't have to cram a large amount of enjoyment into a short burst, nor is it a one-shot deal, you've got all the time in the world. Not a building hype, more a growing contentment. Less "Kickstart My Heart", more "Kokomo"...